Not Lost in Translation: How to Sarge Foreign Girls, Part 1
(when you don’t speak their language)
by Dave and Royce
Royce and Dave here… and yes, we are finally recovered from the MCIP New Years Paris Invasion 2010.
This is a New Years ritual that started a few years ago, the MCIP and G12 programs join forces and have a freakin ball, last year was Copenhagen, this year Paris, next year who knows, but we are going to rock it, wherever it is
Picture 4 instructors, 2 instructors in training and 4 G12 guys … You can imagine the trouble we got into.
But, don’t worry it wasn’t all girls all the time, we took some time out to see the sights as well. 
Now, what’s interesting about Paris is that unlike many other European cities, is that the women don’t predominantly speak English as a 2nd language, what’s even more challenging is that the ones that are able to only speak very basic English and the compliance to get them to do that, is 4x higher than any other country I’ve been to. Compare this to places such as Amsterdam or Berlin where all the girls speak near perfect English; this is a whole level harder.
Luckily there’s a fix. And, we are here to tell you what it is.
We spent days of pain staking time talking to some of the most gorgeous women in Paris just so we could figure this out for you guys, no need to thank us.
To start… we are going to briefly explore the structure critical to foreign sarging, interestingly all the same elements you regularly use are present, it’s the ratio that changes along with the way you sub-communicate these attractive qualities.
As you can imagine if you can’t communicate effective verbally, you gotta show the girls that you are still that high social value, attractive guys that we know you’ll be, if you’ve studied with Mehow for any period of time.
Now, the girls will still need to be able to speak a little English, but for the most part as long as you don’t need to explain quantum physics it should be cool.
In general – you apply the same structure as always. Attraction, midgame and endgame. However you need to play each of these phases differently and we will explain to you how.
First we are going to take a look at four concepts that are key in the attraction phase of foreign sarging.
1) Value Velocity drags massively when you are sarging a girl in her 2nd language this means non-verbal communication is key.
2) You mustn’t seek rapport, but break it on the open.
3) Jealousy / being a fun social guy.
4) Leading.
Let’s look at each of these separately to get a good idea of what’s happening.
Value Velocity:
Imagine that you only have the basic grasp of English, now imagine everything your friend is saying in English you have to translate and then respond to it in English… it takes some effort and you’re not going to get all the nuances and cultural references. Even worse unless you really like the person you’re talking to, is how likely are you to put the effort in?
Then take into the account that most of what you say has to be emotionally stimulating, but only half of that comes across, your VV is massively decreased and you’ll need to work twice as hard for just as much compliance. This is why non-verbal communication is key.
Rapport:
The moment you come into a set speaking a foreign language the girl is going to judge your social value and perceived value in the club, furthermore just by speaking another language she’s going to make a harsher judgement compared to others.
She can’t understand you.
Most guys make the mistake of going in and ’screening’ by asking if the girls speak English. This is actually a rapport seeking question and the quickest way to get the girl to shut you down in a nightlife environment. Counter intuitive to some but true. Bottom line you will get no compliance from her if you try the conventional approach.
Jealousy:
When there is a big language barrier it’s much harder to convey your awesome personality. One of the best ways to make the girl realize how awesome you are, is to let her see that other girls like you. This is hugely important to show pre-selection.
In Addition: Remember that the exotic is always in some way attractive, and you have the advantage of being a tourist and that you will not be there much longer, so it actually becomes easier to SNL and harder to take numbers. I mean - if she has trouble understanding you – the phone is hardly a useful tool. You also have a very real time constraint in the form of being a tourist (whether you are or not) and this is insanely useful.
Leading:
If she can’t understand from what you say that you are the leader of men, there’s a much easier way, take the lead. Not only with her but also with people around you. This doesn’t just mean getting her to do stuff for you, but actively moving her and taking control.
So, now we have the core concepts for attraction we are going to show you how it’s put into play through looking at just one of the nights Royce did in Paris.
Application:
The first step to attraction is a non-verbal pre-opener or a takeaway on the open, what this means is that you get the girls attention and then non-verbally show your disinterest in her.
Generally this takes the form of any of the following:
- Patting her on the head whilst telling her how little she is.
- Grabbing her hand, turning it palm down and slapping it whilst saying “bad girl.”
- Turning sideways and brushing your shoulder off disdainfully at her.
All these things are done playfully.
The next step is simply a compliance test (such as a hi-5 and spin) + a takeaway to set up the chase cycle. Typically both of these are also non-verbal with the takeaway being your body rocking away.
From here you’ll often find girls pulling you back, which is where you can throw a compliance test to gauge how to continue the sarge with a screening question:
“Can you speak English?”
This is 10x more powerful then just going in with this directive right off the bat as doing so would be seeking rapport.
When the above sequence is done right the girl is going to make a strong move towards what your social value is. (How well you are groomed, your sub-coms and whether you’re her ‘type’.)
So, that’s it in a nutshell on how to start sarging women whose predominant language isn’t English.
So, get out there and try it out.
More to come soon,
-Royce & Dave
The Research and Development Division
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February 2nd, 2010 at 12:14 pm
The R&D division :p
Great post, and it’s only the first part, I’m looking forward to reading parts 2 and 3.
February 2nd, 2010 at 12:34 pm
…I am a complete natural at the foreign girl scene…(no brag, just fact)…so this is all highly interesting…in fact if I had my rathers, I wouldn’t piss with American girls anymore…but then they would miss me…(wink!!)……side comment–don’t worry ’bout the book Me….anybody who gets called ‘Magneto’ by two girls is the world’s tops…..shoot….I’ve had lots of girl flirts–but never been called Magneto……
February 2nd, 2010 at 12:56 pm
I am a professional sports player, and so I am actually most of the time in other countries.. so the majority of the time I am meeting girls is actually in other countries, so I have had a LOT of experience with this…
I could talk about this topic for hours, but I just don’t have the time… however, obviously as you have said, non-verbals are very important, I would like to just add two quick points following on from what you said here:
1. I have found it is sooo much more effective to at least just take 30 seconds to learn how to say “Do you speak english?” in their language.. it’s really not too difficult. Even if you have done a non-verbal opener like you have mentioned here, it just comes across so much better to the girl asking for example in spanish “Hablas Ingles?” even if you no nothing else, as it shows you make the effort, and you are not one of these typical tourists who just expects everyone to speak YOUR language. Even though this is such a small thing, it conveys something about your personality to the girl.
2. In terms of non-verbal opening, I have been actually more sucessful with just going straight into what you described here as a possible second step – just go straight in with a huge grin and a high five, followed straight away by spinning the girl. I use this all the time and it has opened every set I have ever tried it on, which I can’t say for any other approach!
note: if there is a group of people then I will high five them all. If there are two girls, I will high five them both at the same time, and then do a simultanious spin… and if there are guys, I will make sure to high five them also (and actually sometimes even spin them too just for the humour.. that normally gets a good response.. just make sure they don’t look like they might hit you!)
Also, if you go in and hold your hand up for a high five and they don’t do it, (this happens more often if you are doing it to a guy in the group), then you just wait there with your hand in the air still grinning, and then look from them to your hand and back to them… giving a nod towards your hand as if to tell them to high five, and if they STILL don’t do it, then you actually grab their hand for them and place it on yours in a high five! As soon as this happens you shout “WAHAYYYYY” and continue. It’s incredible how this works. It not only gets compliance, but these people who are reluctant are actually usually just not having a great time, and when you do this, it often just makes everything more fun for them and it shows value to everyone else because they can see how you are bringing fun and excitement to all these random people.
(I never thought I could talk so long about high fives!!)
The last thing for now is another non-verbal thing I use in foreign places:
I know there seems to be quite a dislike of using dancing in game from a lot of people.. but it can be incredibly powerful. And there can be a lot said about actually dancing properly with a girl, but this is not what I am talking about here.
I mean crazy dancing.
For this you need to lose all your inhibitions (which is a good practice for you anyway). If you can just dance and actually intend to look slightly stupid (ie dont try to dance like everyone else, or seductively or anything), and just genuinely have a great time, you can do a lot with this.
What I will do is just start dancing totally crazily… like almost to the point people could think I am a bit of a weirdo.. but they don’t BECAUSE of the fun that I am clearly putting into and getting out of it. And I will just move around the entire venue, dancing AT people… sometimes including a few high fives, or giving someone a spin, but NEVER staying in a set… just spinning someone with a huge grin at them, but just moving on without a second thought.. you do this to every single set in the entire place. EVERY ONE. Hot girls, Ugly girls, sets of all guys.. every one. If there is a group of people dancing or just standing in a circle, you go right into the middle of the circle, and do as riduclous a dance as you can, turning through the whole group and making sure you make eye contact with each one.
What happens when you do this, is several things:
1. You get social proof, people see you dancing and having fun, and bringing smiles to all these other people’s faces.
2. Everyone in the room will have noticed you, and you will have had contact with them all, so they will always be aware of you.
3. When you initially come up to someone and give them a high five and spin them round, they feel your fun and energy, but then you move straight on, this gives them a huge sense of loss, and feeling why did you move on.
4. Moving straight on, also shows that you don’t need the attention yourself, and you are very uneedy.
5. You show girls that you are uninhibited and really don’t care what other people think of you, which can be very powerful (if you are well groomed and well dressed also)
6. Many people in the venue will be following you with their gaze as you move around, because you have got their attention and then moved on.. this gives you a rock star type effect.
7. You just show that you are an incredibly fun person.
I’m sure there are many more things, but this is just what I thought of the top of my head.
Now, I’m sure you could do this in totally the wrong way, and actually make yourself look actually attention seeking rather than the opposite…
But when this is done right, you have no idea how powerful this is. Usually if I do this, I will get hot girls walking by and whispering to their friends “I love that guy!” and then I will have guys come up to me and say I have some friends who want to meet you, and takes me back to a group of 5 girls who want to take photos with me and who are all over me… that’s the guy TAKING ME to the girls! Not only has that particular example happened to me before, it is a TYPICAL type of reaction I get when doing this.
And this isn’t happening because you are seen as a “dancing monkey” and they want photos of you because they think you are just funny. This is pure attraction… and I have got with so many girls this way. At this point, if you can do this right, you don’t even need to say “can you speak english?”. It works that well.
Anyway, I really only meant to write a couple of sentences, but I got carried away, and this is probably as long as the original blog post! I will finish now.
Hopefully you find my comment useful!
February 2nd, 2010 at 1:04 pm
It used to be mad easy to attract foreign girls in many countries: just flash some dollars and speak a couple words in their language.
Now the dollar isn’t worth that much
February 2nd, 2010 at 1:05 pm
As a German who spent many holidays in France, I have to say it’s pretty tough to endure the low English skill level of the French girls. I’d suggest learning at least some basic French or a few key phrases aside from “(Est-ce que) Tu veux coucher avec moi?” – they really love when you speak their language. Or any additional languages, for that matter. Many French girls have German or Spanish as their second language due to the country’s borders.
Judging from my experience, taking a conversation from French to German to Spanish to English really does have a huge value impact with any foreign girl. It’s like an “instant day 2″ if you converse with her in all the languages she knows. It doesn’t even have to be super-proficient, e.g. Italien can easily be fake-derived from Spanish if you know your Latin.
You will always meet foreign girls in cities with universities and someone might bring a friend from X to a party. “You’re from X?” in their language is still one of the best openers in these cases, so learn as many languages as possible, guys!
I have to admit that I’m very inconsistent with German girls, foreigners are really my strong point. Regular party girls in my country have gotten really dumb in the last few years… so I’m looking forward to travelling the US soon as I’ll at least have being German going for me.
Besides, Mehow, as a freebie hunter who hasn’t bought any pickup products, I have to say much of your “free value” is really helpful and I’ve been able to put some of it to good use so don’t worry about the competition “slandering” your good name.
February 2nd, 2010 at 1:10 pm
by the way Joe C, awesome post.
February 2nd, 2010 at 11:10 pm
Jealousy really works. If you can just show(to girl) that you can get which ever girl you want. You show them(girls) that you are not the thing which girls need, you are the thing which every girl WANTS!.
February 3rd, 2010 at 7:16 am
Great post Dave and Royce.
Keep up the good work!
Greetz,
CHEVA
February 3rd, 2010 at 7:29 am
@Joe: Just to go over the a point you make:
1) Knowing how to say some stuff in her language is a DHV to some extent but it’s not super important, what is key is that asking if they speak English isn’t the first thing you say, the simple reason is that you are seeking rapport, now in a conversation the lower value person seeks rapport. You don’t want to be that guy.
This is why we advise you actually break rapport to start, usually in a non-verbal way because this causes the girl to chase you, consequently her chasing will give you compliance that means she will work harder for you and then your first spoken directive can be “Can you speak English?”
What then tends to happen is the girl will start working, even if she isn’t that good at it, and her working in another language to talk to you creates massive investment on her part. Compare that to asking her straight off the bat or opening with a fun compliance test like a hi-5 and she will judge you purely on your social values and sub-comms i.e. If you are her type, how you come across and how people in the venue react to you.
-D
February 4th, 2010 at 10:28 am
I find that foreign girls will make the effort to speak your language if they are into you, whether you are the foreign visitor or they are visiting your country. All you have too do is start some sort of interaction with confidence and they will jump all over it if they are interested. Almost every girl has a little bit of a fantasy for a guy that is from a different country or culture than they are.
As long as it looks like you are fun, light-hearted guy and NOT some strange creepy perv out to get something. Things move very quickly usually as both people know what they want, but it is not verbally spoken because of the language barrier. The language barrier makes things happen more naturally, smoothly and quickly.
I agree that “Value Velocity” and “Leading” are the critical factors to interacting with foreign girls.
February 4th, 2010 at 10:47 am
LOL @ the faggot in the last picture.
Is that Royce or is that Dave?
February 4th, 2010 at 2:16 pm
@Dave C
Oh don’t get me wrong, I totally agree with you that you shouldn’t ask “Do you speak English?” first… However, to do the steps you are saying, but then rather than saying “Do you speak English?” you instead say it in their language, it just makes it that much more effective. Try it and you will see
February 4th, 2010 at 3:16 pm
@Paul: Well, the “faggot” got laid more than anyone else during the trip…
February 5th, 2010 at 5:17 am
On point man, on point!
Snide and Joe C, Amen – awesome points, well put. you saved me writing the same thing!