Big Announcement and Why We Use Verbals Instead of Kino for Sexual Escalation
Recently, as I was teaching some 10SSA to a student at a boot-camp he asked me:
“Why do you kino so little in mid-game now, back in the old days you were super touchy?”
Good question.
Back in the old days the only way I would sexually escalate only via touching. The problem with that is that no matter how good you get at it you still may get denied.
Meanwhile if you escalate sexually with SOIs and 10SSA “Sexual Elements” then you can get compliance on them 100% of the time.
Basically, with both the verbal and the kinesthetic approach you are attempting to stimulate the woman’s emotions towards sex – such that eventually “the pot boils over” and she has to have you. In end game you do that with a lot of coquettish kino but in mid-game you do that with verbals simply because it’s really easy.
The reason you don’t do both verbal and a lot of touching in mid game is that if you do both you make it too obvious that you’re into her.
So for super consistent same night pulling – you very rarely see guys that are good get all touchy. They just talk to the girl and then disappear with her. The only time you will see a lot of kino from a solid player in these situations if if the pot has boiled over early and the girl won’t stop kinoing you. In those situations you end up in end-game early and do a ton of coquettish push/pull while you pull her the nearest possible sex location like the bathroom, the car, or whatever is nearby. If the pot boils over early you don’t want to discourage that progress by going backwards in the sarge. Additionally, if you’re really good at figuring out her state you can provoke the pot to boil over early although that can be a risky maneuver. Personally, I don’t get all physical until I’m really close to a place where I can insert Tab A into Slot B.
Why do verbal sexual elements (when done correctly) always work?
The answer is simple.
Non Sexual Value Velocity.
If what you say is highly emotionally stimulating for non sexual reasons then the sexual content gets accepted mentally 100% of the time.
For example, in the now classic:
Her: “I like you.”
You: “I know … why do you look at me like a fat kid looks at a hamburger?”
The humor isn’t sexual but the undertones are. Ergo it always works. Sexual thoughts get implanted while disguised with humor.
Learning how to quickly sexualize things is insanely key to consistent same night pulls. Bottom line, most women will get bored if they don’t have at least a hint that they might get some cock somewhere down the line.
Now that I got you all horny for this information …
We’re launching a new bootcamp.
Its the one day “Accelerated Sexualization Workshop” (name not yet final)
There I will drill you on mid-game and make you a SNP master just like I made guys attraction masters with the “Accelerated Attraction Workshop” drills and infield.
The first few dates will be taught by me.
We will reveal them over the next few days along with all the details.
All I can say is i’ve gotten at least 100 unsolicited email, phone, and in person requests for this bootcamp over the last few months so they will sell out super quick.
So … STAY TUNED TO YOUR INBOX.
-m
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October 1st, 2009 at 12:41 pm
You and your copywriter sign your posts different.
Should get that looked at.
October 1st, 2009 at 1:06 pm
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October 1st, 2009 at 1:10 pm
Hey guys,
That’s one opinion, but keep in mind there are other guys who are super touchy in-field, who get nonstop SNL’s.
If you look at Ozzie’s part of RSD’s Transformations, he does something he calls “Run the Train,” where he totally kino-plows the girl.
I also suggest you check out Sinn’s CD on Physical Escalation & Kissing, where he explains this in detail.
Not saying that he’s wrong, but Mehow’s in the minority on this point. Just about everyone who’s good at SNL-ing advocates massive, massive kino in the club.
Try both, and see what works.
Also, see how naturals work in the club. Chances are, they’re not standing a couple feet away from her chatting.
–Dan
October 1st, 2009 at 2:09 pm
Slojodan I am hearing you.
If you go out and look at the difference between someone who is good with women and someone who isn’t then you’ll see those who are good are way more touchy feely.
I’ve experimented a little with this. It seems that Mehow is kind of right but you Slojodan are kind of right too.
I personally don’t see push-pull kino as any more risky than push-pull verbals. They work in a similar way. If she pulls back from your kino you just stop doing so much of it, maybe do a back turn and then return to normal conversation and work your way back up to an area of sexual tension before beginning again.
What I think may be the best strategy is escalating either verbally or non-verbally at different times.
Escalating both at the same time can often work but in many cases doesn’t work brilliantly but not escalating kino at all doesn’t lead to sex.
Which I think is what Mehow was saying in a way. Escalate with kino early on (E.g. Group Kino). Escalate with your target verbally in mid-game. Then back at yours escalate physically to sex.
Last Friday a super hottie told me I was amazing. I teased a lot verbally and I could see this was amping her up. She started telling me I was the sexiext guy on the planet and that I was probably perfect. She tried to lead me to the dancefloor. This was the perfect time for me to ‘run the train’ on her. I grabbed her and lifted her off her feet and walked around the club with her. I teased the hell out of her and just pulled her in and made out with her. I picked her up at another point too when she seemed offended when I said that I had to go to the toilet.
That shit was crazy, anyone that saw us together would’ve thought we’d been banging for years. I dragged her outside for cigarette and started walking to hers with her.
On the walk home and for the next while at her house though it would’ve been crazy of me to go crazy kino on her and spike ASD/LMR before even getting to her house.
There was no kino at all for maybe an hour until she invited me up to her bed.
I tell you this because in the club the theory of “Run The Train” fits but if you take into account the whole interaction then Mehow is correct.
If the girl is super into you right away you can kino her as much as you want – she doesn’t have to not be able to stop kino-ing you she just has to not be able to stop either kino-ing or verbally IOI-ing you.
For me it personally works best if I demonstrate that I can be dominant using kino as well as using verbals at some point in the interaction but you still want to present yourself as a challange.
The first reason is because women do not want what they can easily have. They want to work for it.
The second is that you need to maintain social comfort so that she doesn’t think your some kind of gropey sex maniac or so that she doesn’t feel like a slut.
Doing a lot of kino early on is also great flash game but can ruin sexual tension. So breaking up the kino with a lull but with lots of verbals getting her working more and therefore getting her hot works perfect if you want to end up sealing the deal.
How dominant and crazy and rapidly I kino at first all depends on what I’m reading from the girl, this includes whether or not I kiss her before the club.
As a general rule of thumb the pattern that seems to work best for me is to show some physical dominance whilst being playful, followed by a lull in kino (except for when she gives me proximity kino because she’s so interested she can’t help but rub against me) with verbal escalation leading to the romantic encounter tends to work the best.
When the hardcore kino comes in it’s always – for me – “I’m trying so hard to control myself around you but it’s practically impossible” styled. I’ll be an animal with her for a bit and then totally cold the next.
The idea is that “It’s all your fault, you have to stop doing this to me!”.
Getting the Rakish behaviour on the go seems to have been how I have gotten all of my SNLs and most of my SNPs and I blame at least some of those SNPs not turning into lays for me not being rakish enough at the right moments.
October 1st, 2009 at 2:39 pm
Interestingly, on the Insider, I have yet to see anyone who kino’s the shit out of every set be a consistent same night puller. Yet, I have seen a ton of guys that use sexual verbals that are consistent. So although I acknowledge that super heavy kino can lead to SNLs there is currently no evidence to support that claim in the current stack of actual evidence. Note that there is a big giant difference between using heavy kino throughout on *every* set you talk to and kinoing a set that is throwing herself at you. I think guys that maintain that heavy kino is required on every SNL set to make it solid are actually running screening game to find a girl that is down first – then they kino her. Meanwhile, my focus is to give the guys the consistent ability to party all night long with whoever they want. Even if you don’t fuck her that night – if you party with her for 6 hours she’s def going to be down next time. -=m
October 1st, 2009 at 2:54 pm
for the guy who wanted feedback I’m not sure if its a joke or what if it is not . Listen to yourself
the first tape . Its I I I I I i you basically spend most of the interaction talking about yourself then you ask her a question their she said she was going to go home and relax ask her what she does to relax . not meaning to be rude or insulting but that guy do you have apergers or something ?
October 1st, 2009 at 5:34 pm
….a small comment….I think the more classy and hotter the chick–the more verbals should be used than kino….Why??…Why not go for the gold??….Consider the last James Bond movie….they’re on the train sitting ACROSS from each other ……the conversation is highly sexually charged–but only conversation…and contains some “Catch me if you can” stuff from the girl……………..I think in the girl’s mind it goes like this…”Yahh, I’m a sucker for touch-so if you do it that way-it’s just not all that heroic”……but if it is verbal only, she’s saying to herself…”Fuck !! this guys getting me all hot–and we haven’t even kissed yet !!”………..so I vote ‘Me’ on this one……
October 2nd, 2009 at 5:57 am
Hey Slojodan,
a few things:
1. Quoting Ozzie as a “pick up authority” is beyond me. Of course if you “run the train” on 20 girls at least one will be down which seems to be the whole RSD philosophy (”dont care what anyone thinks of you”, blablabla). But at least me personally, I wont stick my dick into any girl, I want a girl I am very attracted to, and who has a good personality. I want the HOT girl and that is why we use INTELLIGENCE instead of BOLDNESS (RSD), so we can have an edge not only over average guys, but also over most naturals.
2. Sinn doesn’t touch much in mid-game. That cd you talk about is 3 years old and I think his game has changed a lot since then.
3.”Not saying that he’s wrong, but Mehow’s in the minority on this point. Just about everyone who’s good at SNL-ing advocates massive, massive kino in the club.”
WRONG. Who is advocating that? TD? TD says that strong intent + physical leading is the way to go. But my question is: What makes Tyler a pick up authority? Where is his infield footage? I don’t see any. Sure, I like his inner game stuff too and strong mindsets are a HUGE part of game but I think his actual SKILL of seeing a girl you like and getting her with consistency doesn’t seem to be that great. The same for other RSD instructors. Charlatans with no evidence of their skill is what makes this industry a joke. No infield footage avaiable to the public = No proof of anything = Fraud. And showing a few low quality infield footage clips in a overpriced RSD seminar full of people who lack social skills is NOT enough proof to me, there is no credibility in that. RSD = Full of shit.
4. “Also, see how naturals work in the club. Chances are, they’re not standing a couple feet away from her chatting.”
What kind of naturals are you talking about? The bold playerish type of natural that RSD idealizes or the actual GOOD naturals? With good naturals, from the outside it won’t even seem he is gaming anyone. But then he suddenly brings her home. THAT is skill, being the tacky club make out guy is NOT.
5. My personal opinion: By sexualizing, all your trying to do is build SEXUAL TENSION. You cant do too much verbal sexual stuff + a lot of kino because that is too much. Not because you can’t get away with it (I personally can) but because you are actually decreasing the tension instead of adding to it. This is also why making sexual comments or SOIs funny works better, because the humor adds an element of CONFUSION to it so that it adds to the tension, it is not what she generally gets from guys. Most guys do tons of physical stuff and their SOIs and sexual comments are too serious and creepy. By doing things differently (intelligently), we stand out (and get the hot girl:P). PLAYFULNESS + SEXUALITY is the key, and I think that is what 10SSA or any other effective “method” is all about.
Verbal escalation + denying touch = Sexual Tension
Fluff talk + escalating touch = Sexual tension.
Both work, but the first one is more consistent in mid-game, and the second one is more consistent in end game. Why? Who knows, but it is what works best IME.
October 2nd, 2009 at 12:44 pm
I’ve watched all of infield insider and I’ve not seen anyone successfully do this.
Yeah Hyponotica was fun to watch, but he got one number. If you had knives out, and no view to learning, you could say that his ‘you’re going home alone’ schtick bound the girls closer together, against Hypnotica, the common enemy to be resisted.
Sinn no sexual game.
Speer, was pretty amazing, but he had a nightmare of frame control, and just seemed to be brill at fixing bad situations. He didn’t really talk enough about that, developing that ability to recover from her resistance, to make it practical.
Don’t recall thinking ‘that’s an SOI!’.
Diamonds closed a lot in his first episode. No SOIs.
and then there’s mehow. No SOIs.
So no, I don’t really recall anyone successfully pulling of SOIs, be they Mehow’s use of Lance’s line, or more blatant Elise stuff.
I’d like Mehow to substantiate his assertion with a bunch of closes on infield insider.
October 2nd, 2009 at 1:21 pm
“Note that there is a big giant difference between using heavy kino throughout on *every* set you talk to and kinoing a set that is throwing herself at you. I think guys that maintain that heavy kino is required on every SNL set to make it solid are actually running screening game to find a girl that is down first – then they kino her”
True. I probably go totally hardcore kino on one in every twenty sets. It all depends on what you are reading from the girl.
I do some small amounts of dominant kino – drag around the club a little – or just a few feet from where we were to isolation, maybe hug and lift up a little but not carry around mixed with playful kino like sideways hugs at the beginning in probably 6/10 sets.
I do some compliance testing in a dominant way which normally involves kino in any set that actually goes remotely well at some point.
It can be used to strike while the iron is hot or to strike to make the iron hot. I would not recommend striking to make the iron hot with kino For disqualified guys. In that instance verbals are totally safer.
” PLAYFULNESS + SEXUALITY is the key, and I think that is what 10SSA or any other effective “method” is all about.
Verbal escalation + denying touch = Sexual Tension
Fluff talk + escalating touch = Sexual tension.
Both work, but the first one is more consistent in mid-game, and the second one is more consistent in end game. Why? Who knows, but it is what works best IME.”
Good shout. That’s exactly what I was saying.
I think the point of putting in rakish behaviour at the right moment is to let the girl know that you take what you want, so she knows you aren’t afraid to touch and to lead and to dominate if and when you need to…if you actually decide you want to take her home at the end of it all.
Of course for disqualified guys and people who are new to this doing too much kino will just end up making you seem like a touchy feely pervert type and get you blown out.
I’ve always questioned how much the RSD stuff works for some of the uglier and weirder guys that go to their seminars. My guess would be very little and that that failure has little to do with not having 100% belief.
Natural Tim is probably one of the sexiest instructors out there.
October 3rd, 2009 at 1:21 pm
Do you have any gen on working art galleries ? I did try to get gen off Juggler in person on this angle, but he was kind of evasive – he said ‘it could be anywhere’, I said ‘but you would probably be looking at the same thing’ he said’ Well what if she’s got her eyes closed ?’ – I should’ve then said (I realised later) – ‘You should always carry a chisel to prise open her eyelids with’ – but anyhow, Mehow, prove to me you can do better. Also do you have any gen on chick crack ? you know – yoga, astrology, tibetan mind reading, fingerprint reading, blood type – any goddam thing – throw me a line – I’m sinking…
Yours
Simon.
October 3rd, 2009 at 3:32 pm
Hey guys,
Like I said before, try both, and see what works better. In my experience, people who stick to verbals and non-kino are absolutely terrified of getting overtly sexual in the club. They may be worried about getting blown out or getting jumped by other guys, but generally “sexual verbals only” is a convience strategy to avoid risk.
This doesn’t include Mehow of course, because I’ve seen him kino the fuck out of girls in clubs.
Just be comfortable with being super-kino guy, before you deliberately pull back to focus on verbals. It should be a choice, not a default. Girls can tell if you’re not touching her out of purpose than out of fear.
As for James Bond, I think Lovedrop was the first person to figure this out: It turns out he is a fictional character. Not only that, but I heard that Casino Royale actually never happened. Like… at all. I was shocked too. This is why I started to not use movies as evidence of either pick-up technique or bomb dismantlement.
–Dan
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:12 pm
Dear Guys
I have one question…
I dont find it easy communicating through verbal game on the dancefloor. Im sure Mehow and other instructors have a very solid techniques that allow them to communicate verbally or via kino.
Whats are some good kino techniques and strategies that can be used to approach girls on the dancefloor?
I would really appreciate if u guys could answer my question or do a blog post specially on dancefloor approaching using kino…
Thanks
Bunny
October 4th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
Ohh “Contrare’ Pierre’”…….!!……flack because it’s fictional…….oh brother…..well…they don’t have idiots on relationships write scripts…….and I can personally verify that, using the same fictional ‘Bond’ technique–I got a “TEN” to fly into L.A. from Wisconisn on internet seduction alone….now how in the world do you ‘kino’ over the computer wires…??……..
October 5th, 2009 at 12:05 am
Hey Mehow, when am I going on your infield insider?
October 5th, 2009 at 2:25 am
Johnny,
I hate to break it to you.
But you will never be on the insider.
Sorry man
-m
October 5th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
The original infield exposed had some chick crack on it, Mehow did palm reads and some other vague chick crack stuff. Are you actuallly an art connoisseur or are only going to pick up women? At the art exhibitions where I’m at, there’s an outside area w/ a live band that plays. It’s pretty crowded and noisy, so when you strike up the conversation, just say, “Hey, you’re interesting to talk to but it’s too loud in here. Let’s go outside and talk.”
Unless you are part of the “in” crowd at an art exhibit, I would tell you it’s a waste of your time. It’s incredibly clique orientated and you’ll stick out immediately.
October 5th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
Mehow is obviously scared….
October 5th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
Yes, I peed my pants when i wrote that blog post. -=m
October 5th, 2009 at 9:46 pm
Mehow, when you coming to San Fran?????
October 5th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
Now that I know you live there I’m never coming.
*actually* I don’t know.
-m
October 6th, 2009 at 4:17 am
c’mon mehow….let johnny on infield insider but let him pay for everything(he already waste more than 8000$ on bootcamps,etc).
it would be fun to see him sitting in a corner for 30′.
October 6th, 2009 at 4:19 am
ha ha
rsd frauds banned me again for asking to see some infield videos with them.
October 6th, 2009 at 5:40 am
I think Johnny should get a chance to prove himself.
Which doesn’t mean he should be allowed to do the insider right away (I’m sure the filming crowd costs $$$ and that they have fucked up many times in the past by risking too much in terms of who you allow to be filmed and who you don’t).
But Johnny, why don’t you buy some cheap camera or at least try to get some audio of you cold approaching??? That way Mehow would get a rough idea of whether you really are as good as you claim.
Hell, I would bet my left nut that I have far superior game than most PUA instructors, Mehow included. But I don’t go around saying “I want to do the insider” because for now it is only words on a computer screen with no proof to back it up. If I however manage to get quality footage of myself in the future and prove my skill, then that is another story.
October 6th, 2009 at 7:25 am
right Paul….every crazy guy claiming he is good should get a chance.
u know better this is not the case with johnnie boy……from stalking fader,spending countless hours on internet forums having over 6000 posts,banned everywhere and so on, you can imagine what a “great guy”he must be.
if it was someone else what u say make sense but not with johnny.
October 6th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
I kind of agree with Mehow here. Some of the best ‘Naturals’ I have watched do very little kino, but use lots of verbal, posture and eye communication. I think a key point here is the difference between a ‘Natural’ and somone learning this skill is that the ‘Natural’ does not have a fear of touching they just choose not to do it at that time, they know there is going to be touching really soon though. The person learning to become more ‘Natural’ probably has an issue with being comfotable touching and when to do it, so they come off as incongruent and awkward. The ‘Learner’ will have to go through a phase of more touching than normal to get comfortable with it, then as it becomes natural they can use other communication skills than touch as they become comforatble and proficient with all their communication skills.
October 8th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
I agree and disagree with this Ive found im more like to get blown out for not escalating then there are sum girls that dont really like to be touched at all w hich you would have to rely on your verbal game. I just think its all about congruence (which is something can NOT learn over the internet OR from watching it from other ‘Gurus’ infield footage)
If you guys want to see sum infield footage of a PUA physical escalating heavy as oppose to verbally escalating watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42A_PXAPn3k
By the way this is Brad an RSD instructor( with a lot more amazing footage to come from this camp that from what I’ve seen at the world summit will clear up a lot of misconceptions about these guys) .
PS. Hey Mehow you should hook these guys up with your video crew
October 8th, 2009 at 6:26 pm
Brad, that video looks extremely staged and who cares? Making out with a girl isnt a big deal– what city do you live in? I CHALLENGE you
October 8th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
Oh, and the girl isnt hot
October 11th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Hi Mehow,
I’m sitting here with Johnny right now btw.
Both verbal or physical escalation would work with me, probably best in tandem. The number one problem is that the vast majority of guys don’t do either one. And then nothing happens.
People wonder why I got into the community. Well, that question was answered Friday night when I and my girlfriends went out in San Francisco and observed an entire bar full of guys with zero game (other than Johnny, of course).
Gotta go somewhere where these delicious feelings can be stimulated in me. Lol
Love,
Erika Awakening
October 12th, 2009 at 10:28 am
All of you are missing a third way to sexually escalate: NON-VERBALLY.
Physical escalation (aka “Kino”:P) is NOT the same thing as non verbal sexual escalation.
After all, the most effective tools to sexualize an interaction is EYE CONTACT, TONALITY AND BODY MOVEMENT.
Vebals are important and touching is important too. But if you don’t know how to convey desire and sexuality non-verbally you are shooting yourself in the foot big time. And this is not another clever invention, it is how billions of men have been seducing women for thousands of years.
October 12th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
Good points, Paul
Most escalation has to do with “vibe” (vibrational frequencies)
It mostly has to do with the type of environment and bar/club you are at. It’s why I SUCK at dive bars and grimey clubs. I feel as though I am the only person in those places. A “high value” guy is vibrating at a higher frequency than a “low value” guy, mostly due to his beliefs and yes, some of it with what he has manifested through his material goods, health, wealth, etc. but thats just a byproduct of his beliefs and actions.
Alcohol and drugs can increase your vibrational frequency (when moderately used)
October 18th, 2009 at 3:26 am
“The number one problem is that the vast majority of guys don’t do either one. And then nothing happens. ”
Hmmm. The number one problem is that women reject both. SOIs make girls uncomfortable and go cold, or aggressive – ‘you’re shit’.
Kino probably does cause problems (well compliance for routines is frequently refused), but incidental kino puts girls on their guard also, its hard to quantify how badly that is damaging the interaction because you don’t know the girls conversational base line.
The answer is probably to get a sex change, because women are comfortable with lesbianism.
October 18th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
Hey Mehow,
I’m flying into San Diego and I’m going on your infield insider
October 18th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
Its fairly obvious that Mehow is scared to have me on his infield insider
I mean, most of these “gurus” were on the infield insider and were brutal (Sinn, etc)….
October 23rd, 2009 at 5:53 am
Hey Mehow,
I’m curious about something, you and Mystery are friends and he thinks your pick material is great, has he changed his beliefs on pick up ( such as M3 model, 7 hour rule etc) as a result of what you’ve shown him or explained to him?
October 23rd, 2009 at 2:26 pm
scanlas,
ya i don’t really ever talk shop with mystery. we just party together. m3 is still very valid. 7 hour rule however doesn’t really apply anymore but I don’t really talk to him about that stuff. he bangs girls in far less then 7 hours himself.
-m
October 24th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
Mehow, we’d never get a long…too similar!
October 24th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
scanlas,
Mystery is a very good businessman. I’ve seen him out. You need to develop your own “method”. Not everyone is 6′5 and a magician who can wear what he wants. Find whatever suits you best and do that.
October 25th, 2009 at 2:20 am
Johnny forums,aren’t u tired kissing every “guru” a*** and being ignored?
damn..u re so pathetic.
November 24th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
Johnny is a worthless piece of shit. Hell, he was even banned from the barry kirkey forum. Go masturbate johnny boy, because you will NEVER get laid.
November 25th, 2009 at 11:54 am
Wow guys calm down… don’t hate. Some advice Johnny gives is good, some isn’t so much, but you don’t have to apply everything. And if he is so pathetic, why do you waste time flaming him? Why don’t you want to get laid? That doesn’t look so un-reactive.
November 25th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
lol
Where has Mehow been????